we have an expression in law school, when you don't have the facts or the law with you, raise your voice. and he just took over, ran over the moderator, ran over the president, and the president just looked like he was holding him in utter contempt. i'm surprised the president didn't look at his watch like george bush did. i don't know what happened except there are times i suppose when there's just some things that you just can't do, and you know, this president will remind you and me as well that he's president of the united states. i don't know whether anybody has ever talked to him the way mitt romney has, especially a mitt romney. dagen: you make it sound like it was ugly. it wasn't ugly. at times congressman and you can agree or disagree it looked like the president just thought it was beneath him to be there. he was like i'm the leader of the -- i'm the president. why do i need to debate this guy? >> i will take it one step further and that is that the things that mitt romney has said to make it appear as though he has a compassion and a program for the middle class and he's again